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 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 03:28PM
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mur.. I corrected.. thanks. bc

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whoah! so you used to be a VTEC mini guy? hmm you made us believe that you are a spring chicken when you said you were driving an 850mini, but anyway it's ok.. btw,what made you sell your vtec? you know, the trend usually is from 998 upgrading to VTEC, but you did a one of a kind downgrade, from VTEC to 850cc... it's alright, as i always say, to each his own. Many of us(admit it guys) wants to upgrade to VTEC but the $$$$ involved is nerve rocking... i'd probably settle with my 998 for the time being,just need to pour some oil additive to make it run better.



I originally had a 998 japanese spec mini that was t-boned by a guy who was texting and ran a red-light 5+ years ago.  Then picked up a 68 pickup with an 850 that I went through and replaced all the bushings, etc just to have them all dry rot within a couple months. very frustrating.  I ended up selling that to a friend locally who repaired the rust it had and is almost finished a vtec swap on it.  I then waited about 2 years before buying another.  Fast forward to the vtec mini...

I had my heart set on one and ended up buying a vtec mini in california with an mtb2 kit.  It was not as described when I flew out to buy it and unfortunately ended up deciding to sell it because I didn't have the time and space to go through it all and sort it out like it needed. I sold it to a local guy so he could rebuild it with his son.  I was happiest it went to a good home where it would be rebuilt.


The only reason I had two minis is because a month after I bought the vtec mini the 850 came up for sale locally for a price I couldn't pass up.  I like the handling and natural-ness of the original motor'd cars.  There is just something about them that makes them fun to drive.  The vtec mini just didn't have the same feel or driving dynamics and having 160hp and spinning the gears was ehh.

For now, the 850 is well sorted as a driver minus some minimal surface rust and a bad rear quarter window seal.  I've already repaired the bad rust behind the rear subframe, new radiator and Water pump, clutch master and slave and other general maintenance.  It's just when the radiator exploded the 850 started to get some blow by.  Rather than rebuild it, I figured if the price was right i'd just replace the motor to something more powerful.




Here is my japanese spec mini when I drove to NYC.  



And with 2 brothers who are 6'3 and 6'4 respectively:



Here is the 850 pickup the day I bought it in a lawn mower trailer.  It had been sitting for YEARS.  It started right up with new gas and a battery! (ended up needing points)



Here is the vtec mini on my friends unimog after it was delivered from cali on our way to cars & coffee:



And with my pup in it....


And the 850 parked across the street from my apt in philly: (yes it's parked on the street)



 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 02:45PM
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A daily driver 850 can be a ton o'fun.  A properly sorted 998 even more fun.  Fortunately, the bolt-on parts used to upgrade the 850 can also be used on the 998 or 1100, so there's time to do some work now and save up funds for the next incarnation of your mini.  Your Haynes manual will become not only a 'how-to' guide, but assist in understanding the relationships between systems.  Other books and online resources will become invaluable as you move along in your development project.

If it were mine, I'd do the same as what I did to mine, in addition to the previously mentioned Quadoptic headlamps, Fiamm horns and relays:

First - A stage 1 kit suited to small-bore engines (C-STN17 or C-STN17) (a proper and complete one from our host or MiniSpares, not some budget knock-off with unknown quality.  The kit will include a Maniflow Freeflow exhaust manifold, an alloy intake manifold (fits HS4, HIF38/HIF4, HIF44/HIF6 carbs), a K&N filter to fit the standard HS4 black plastic airbox, new carb needle which will get you really close to what you need, twin-box RC40 side-exit exhaust system and all the gaskets, clamps and hangers you'll need.

This will allow the engine to breath better, give better economy and a bit more power.

These parts will also transfer over to any other small-bore engine you one day install.

Then, better brakes, wheels and/or tires.  I installed 8.4" disks and 12" wheels, 'S' drums and correct diameter wheel cylinders (understand your braking system before you just buy GWC1102 0.75" cylinders - make sure you've got the correct master cylinder and/or servo assist - use the technical pages and parts diagrams to understand your brakes) in the rear.  This upgrade did, however, need new wheel arches, as the wheels now protruded further from the bodyshell.  Gotta keep the local law happy...

Door mirrors - It's nice to see what's going on when you're stormin' down the boulevard.  Both left and right sides, convex glass to give the wide-view perspective.  P/N GAM218A and GAM217A, and since 1980 can be a bit of a wierd year for certain things, fitting kits also - M90997 and M90999, or 2 x CZH3521.  These are MSC part numbers, I'm sure our host is using the same - use your search button and see what works best for you financially...

A good interior mirror also - MSA1147.

Then, when your clutch eventually needs replacing, a lightened flywheel.  No need to go 'full-race', just the 'road-spec' as it'll take around 5 or 6 pounds off the reciprocating weight and dramatically improve acceleration.  The result is very noticeable, it doesn't affect your smooth idle but will make your car a bit more 'sporty' and respond better if you have a passenger.

After that, you'll probably want to install twin carbs and stage 3 cylinder head.  And a Super Cool radiator with silicone hoses.  And an electronic ignition (Pertronix, AccuSpark, Lumenition Optronic etc...) for 'forget it's there' reliability.  And a ...  It never ends, but most if not all can be re-used with minimal spending later on.  Maybe a different carb needle, maybe a few gaskets and screws.  One piece at a time as you enjoy your car.

My opinion is that it may be nice to have a big stereo, 200 pounds of sound deadening material glued all over the place, and fancy carpets to hide it all, but if it's just wheezing along, it's just tarted up.  Make sure what should be working, is in fact working - and keep it maintained.

As Steve once said, "Shiny baubles and paint won't make it what it ain't".

And yes, I had twin HS2's on my 850 with the stage 1 kit and lightened flywheel etc..  It would cruise quite happily along at 75 mph, gave good fuel economy and looked really cool when I opened the bonnet.  My current 998 uses many of the previously installed parts, as well as some that take the concept well further.

The peasants are revolting...          

"Gone with the Wind" - a brief yet moving vignette concerning lactose intolerance

 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 02:39PM
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whoah! so you used to be a VTEC mini guy? hmm you made us believe that you are a spring chicken when you said you were driving an 850mini, but anyway it's ok.. btw,what made you sell your vtec? you know, the trend usually is from 998 upgrading to VTEC, but you did a one of a kind downgrade, from VTEC to 850cc... it's alright, as i always say, to each his own. Many of us(admit it guys) wants to upgrade to VTEC but the $$$$ involved is nerve rocking... i'd probably settle with my 998 for the time being,just need to pour some oil additive to make it run better.

 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 02:03PM
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Thanks guys, great suggestions!  

Thankfully everything is pretty up to date and well maintained on the car.  The previous owner documented all maintenance and gas fill-ups from 2008-2014. It's pretty incredible.  I am doing my best to continue with normal maintenance as it is very important.   

The sound deadening is more for highway noise than anything else.  I also can cruise at 75mph no problem...well until my 850 started to get some blow by, now i stay around 70 mph.  The 850 currently has an hs4 with wax stat and a 45d4 dist. with electronic ignition.

Since the blow-by started to occur, I started to source a new motor and recently came across 1098 motor locally and will be picking it up hopefully this weekend.  It is an mg1100 block, 12g295 head, kent 276 cam, weber dgv carb, remote 22g68 gearbox with 3 synchro jack knight straight cut gears and drops.  

I haven't personally swapped a motor in a mini before, but I have in other cars, so I think ill be OK.  Looking forward to a bit more power, not gonna lie.  I prefer a 1275, but the price and timing are right on this guy.  (as I just sold my vtec mini)


The only reason I am putting the wipac driving lights on is because I picked them up for $25 brand new WITH mini brackets.  

Cheers!

-M

 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 02:01PM
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Bill: Use your own transmission, not Manuel's. You can put only one header on a mini engine.

As for Rob, the man who should not post anything, his flawed thinking argues that disc brakes are not a good idea because he has wheels with the wrong offset. That isn't very good advice. Broken clocks are right twice a day, but Rob is consistently unreliable with nothing of value to offer any discussion.

 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 01:48PM
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mhayes1984..  dido on engine upgrades. unless you find GOOD 998cc for under $1k.. ( I have six of them at $750 complete with trannys.  ) and you can do the work yourself..  why swap the engine /tranny out IF you are NOT having any problems..  with the 850cc??  all the extra lights are waste of money..   you could just do 998cc. with header and stage one kit and buy you carb for few hundred extra ..  later bc

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But, seriously there's a respectable member here who said he drove his 850 mini all day at 75mph...and i'm like? really? hello!!... just wait, he'll chime in in a little while, and he'll give you 850 advices.

850 @75??? ...i just can't get over it.

 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 01:12PM
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For a daily driver? Only mod I'd do is a decent drivers seat! Any engine mods to be worthwhile will cost a fortune and lead to other mods (like brakes) If you can drive an 850 as a daily driver your a better man than I Gunga Din!

Mini's are like buses they come along in a bunch

 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 11:43AM
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My favorite upgrade has gotta be the Electronic dizzy (pertronix ignitor 2...not the ignitor 1) and the 3 ohm flamethrower coil...since i went to E.dizzy, i never had dancing rpm's anymore. I didn't like my suspension upgrade that much, not a big improvement, plus my wheels sticks out a bit using a disc brake. i dunno, somehow the hub for drum and disc seems different in size but i use same 7.5 disc as advertised. well heck i dunno... My next upgrade should be the Carburetor, my shaft is leaking, right now i just slap some spoonful of grease to both ends of shaft to put a temporary plug onto the leak. i need to contact mr. Joe Curto and see what he can do. He is the messiah when it comes to SU carbs, jeg is only second to him... although jeg said he can do wonders to HS4 carb to make it perform better.

But seriously, i don't think you even need sound deadening on 850's. the noise it produce is directly proportional to it's horse power output.

 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 11:16AM
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A daily driver 850 MINI would benefit from a stage 1 kit I think....all bolt on stuff

If you've not got an HS4 or HIF4(38) already, I'd put one on. ( the 850 auto came with HS4 )

If your drums are set up correctly and adjusted correctly, they work perfectly fine....( better than the first Cooper discs in fact )...so you could save and get discs later and invest in some immediate improvements now ( although ultimately discs are the better brake by miles )

Alternately.....fit a 1098, 998 or 1275.  If a rod shift is connected to the replacement....it's an easy swap

 

"Everybody should own a MINI at some point, or you are incomplete as a human being" - James May

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Ordered so by a Judge

 

 

 

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Hmmm... to daily drive a classic Mini?  I think the best mod is to have some sort of Toyota ready when the Mini doesn't want to! You must be the most patient driver ever to daily drive an 850!!   ....And fearless too, when it's flat out of breath with that tractor trailer trying to push you along....  For safety (IMHO,)  you need a reasonably powerful 1275 to avoid being a sitting duck(ling)!

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I've got an 1100 engine which was running and swapped for a brit built 1300.  In NY, contact me via my profile.
mike

 Posted: Jan 18, 2017 09:19AM
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This is more of a philosophy than a mod; and it is simply to make every system work as well as it was intended.

Like the above mentioned headlights. My MK VII mini came from Japan so had lamps biased the wrong way. These were replaced with Silvania headlamps built like a sealed beam but with a halogen bulb, and then properly aimed. Since they are powered via relays and the car has a great alternator, these are the best headlamps I have had on a mini.

You already mentioned disc brakes. I daily drive with drums for decades, and would never do it again. Drums are just not reliable.

You also mentioned a more powerful torquey engine. There is nothing wrong with a good 1098.

I like a great heater-and that is part of a good cooling system. A 195°F thermostat and everything in proper shape and you will have a good source of heat. Then make certain all of the other parts of the system, from the ducts and escutions, to any foam pieces or air inlets, are in good shape and fitted properly. You do want your heater to draw in clean cool air, and the same for the eyeball vents.

Another often maligned system on minis is the wipers. If your car is MK III or newer it came with two speed self parking wipers. Sort the motor and cable/wheelboxes out and then fit the good wiper arms and Bosch wipers as were fitted to the last minis built. Avoid anything shiny or chromed as they are of nowhere near the quality of the good stuff. Also, make certain the washer fluid system is in good order.

There are many small systems on these cars that get overlooked, like proper crankcase venting systems, fuel tank venting, alternator capacity, distributor splash shield, battery tie down, battery clamps, ground straps; exhaust engine and subframe mounts. When all of these things are done, and done right, then a mini is a nice car to drive and they stay that way for a long time.

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Swapping out the sealed beams for WIPAC Quadoptic halogen headlights and taking the time to properly aim them. No driving lights needed. 

Also installing the Miata seats. 

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I daily drive my 1980 850 Saloon and was thinking to myself... what is your favorite upgrade/modification you've made to your driver mini?

In my previous cars it was either front discs over the standard drums, or sound deadening upgrade/addition or changing to electronic ignition.

Next up on my list:
  • fixing my leaks before doing the sound deadening
  • finding the cause of my voltage drop when 3 items are running (lights/stereo/blower or lights/stereo/wipers)
  • 1098 upgrade
  • Front wipac driving lights
  • What's your favorite/must have upgrade that you can't live without or regret not doing sooner?
  • -Matt